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Ironhyde FX Growth

if you want to run this system prepare yourself to bear huge drawdowns. SL are used only seldom and they are very large anyway. if you want a smooth path, this is not for you.

US Stock Trader

I have been autotrading this system and below are my observations: 1) The biggest problem with this system is that it underperforms the stock it is trading. Apple has an average gain of 4.8% per month, that is 57.6% annually. This system has a 52.2% compounded annual gain. Basically that means that if I went long on Apple I would performing better than this system here. People say 1Coh but sometimes Apple goes down and we make money. 1D Sure that might be the occasional case but in the long-run the numbers speak for themselves. If you are trading this system, just buy and hold Apple and you will outperform this system. 2) Slippage can be quite horrible. You can see it for yourself under 1Cshow more details 1D in the trading section and click on each trade and see the actual prices given to the autotraders. For example on a trade done 3/6 (the last one, I am not cherry-picking), the system trade price was closed at $530.09. The actual autotraded price range was $529.51 13 $530.32. I never get the system prices and always lose more and gain less. This is true of any popular system on C2. 3) Nowhere does it say that you need at least $25,000 in equity in order to trade this system. The reason is because the system creator often day trades and the broker will label you as a 1Cpattern day trader 1D in which your account will be frozen until you are at least at $25k. 4) The communication is non-existent. I sent a message and got a 4 day response time. This is semi-understandable considering the amount of subscribers. However an update broadcasted can alleviate a lot of traders 19 concerns. I have subscribed to other systems and the system creator often gives updates on strategy, and a basic plan on where the system might take us. Currently it feels as if there is nothing proprietary about this system and the creator arbitrarily picks a long/short position based on momentum.

Spy 2x

I think in the last 3 months the system went out of phase with the market and vulnerabilities are evident. Before that, performance was great. I think that if the (skillful) developer reforms the system and fix the vulnerabilities, the system has the potential to have good performance, filter out bad times and be 5 star worth. Worst case, it's better to be out of the market and wait for better fishing season. Until then I'll be keeping an eye on it and hoping for its comeback.

TBS Absolute Return

I generally agree with previous review. 17 months on C2, only two of them losing, CAGR currently at 84%, and no monthly subscription fee. Only uncertainty is how the system will do in a longer term declining market, but that question also applies to most systems on C2. Definitely worth a look!

TBS Absolute Return

This is an amazing system. Juan *clearly* knows what he is doing. This is much more of a long-term investment strategy, rather than a trading strategy. Everything about it is first class!

THE BEATLES SP 500

Since both of the vendor's other two systems are known to occasionally hold on to losses for a long time and run up large drawdowns I was hoping that this system would be different. Now it turns out that he is again using the hold and hope strategy. Too much aggravation, not worth for me to continue.

Ideal System

In fact, this system went well until market was cooperating, when market turned sentiment it could not adapt and took a huge series of losses.

THE BEATLES SP 500

This system was good until January when it started taking excessive risks with trades clearly against trend without proper SL. Some recovered but only luckily and some took a huge loss. Now there is another bad loss still open. And this can only get worse.

Spy 2x

I like Andrea. He will quickly respond to messages and plus he keeps his subscribers up to date with emails. Now, the question is how many stars do I give a system that I have been trading for 6 months and have lost money? I hope the system can start working again soon.

Spy 2x

I think the reason why the vendor got constantly whip-sawed during the last three and a half months is that he is trying to avoid day trading to protect people with small, non margin accounts. I think he should create another system, either with futures or one requiring a larger account balance so he is free to get out of or reverse positions whenever it becomes clear during the trading hours that he is on the wrong side of the market. Otherwise I might not renew my subscription.

Spy 2x

If we buy and hold in the past 12 months SPY gains almost 20% and SSO gains almost 40%. Be careful, we may get in big trouble than we think.

THE BEATLES SP 500

As recently reported this system is very risky. Took a long on the morning of FOMC and added a second position 16 pts lower that morning going into the report. This trade ended up positive but could easily be a huge loss with the unpredictable results from FOMC. Also, 3 days later doubled down on another 14 pt loser and saw it go another 30 pts in your face. MOVED the stop lower. That shows irresponsibility! This type of trading will result in a major loss, it is just a matter of time.

THE BEATLES SP 500

The system entered long just before the market moved down and stayed with it to wait for the rebound, but it exited just before the big move up next couple day. Good timing! The big draw down will occur in the Future, just don't know when, but it will.

Spy 2x

61% win rate is not even 2 out of 3 which is quite poor really.

The Chartist

Normally the recent performance speaks for itself. I joined for 2 months and it has been a disaster. The market is in correction mode and the trades are long, even worse, the system wait for market to rebound and then went long, only to see the market went down again. It may seem the developer read the chart upside down and every trade went against the market. I thought Futures trading would be exempt from market correction and it will take what the market gives. I've been with C2 for 4 years and haven't seen any winning system yet. I seems most good systems will have a few months initial good performance and then starting loosing after attracting some subscribers. This system is NO exception.

Ideal System

The problem with fully automated systems like this one is the market is constantly trying to work around them. Eventually these systems fail as is obvious if you look at the trade pattern when the market shifts character. A good system needs a discretionary element controlled by a human.

Spy 2x

This is an excellent trend following system with defined stop losses, responsible money management, and excellent communication and strategy sharing from the developer. When the market is not trending and is volatile, like in the Fall and Winter of 2013/14, the system has not done well. During a sideways market, the developer should consider 1) remaining all cash, 2) trading low size to avoid large draw down from consecutive losses, or 3) reducing the trading time frame and even day trading the system when appropriate.

SP100 Short Term Swing

STS may turn out to be a fine system. But for someone with a substantial stock position the risk profile may be a poor fit. With up to 150% stock exposure, this system can fall hard as in the selloff beginning 1-17-14. System trades frequently and seems to hold on to losers longer than winners. It may do well in the long run, but a bear market could be painful.

THE BEATLES SP 500

Opening a long position at 1/31/14 15:58 (2 minutes before weekend close, why ???), moving the 'catastrophic stop' down because system 'says still long', adding to a losing position and finally getting lucky. Sorry, I have to unsubscribe and run far, far away ...

YZ income fund

The review prior to this claims YZ will not blow out your account. I think potential subscribers need to be aware of the risk of a system like this. This system sells naked options. It doesn't get any riskier than that. The chances of it blowing out your account are enormous. I've unsubscribed because of this. There's a reason why a lot of brokers are asking for high margin requirements on short selling options.

YZ income fund

I am a long-term subscriber. This system is exceptional and among the very best on C2. Consider the excellent returns, and the length of time the system has produced such returns, with excellent win %, Sharpe ration, respectable DD, etc. YZ will not blow your account out. Risk management is excellent. This system will make you money. Communication is quick, and the weekly commentary is excellent. The only criticism I have is that the manager did not grand-father existing subscribers' rates with the new price increase, but that is getting nit-picky. I cannot believe someone left a 2-Star review because they were too daft to find the email icon, which is in the same place as it is for all systems. I also cannot believe C2 allows such a review to stand.

Uncl Al - Market Neutral

After being a subscriber and autotrader for a while I was wondering why for example a short position was kept open when the price went from 5 to 18. I asked him and he replied that actually he has closed his own positions and should have done the same in C2 because he is not able to trade the system currently.

MakeHayWhileTheSunShines

not the fact that i subscribed just before his big drawdown ,because i think you must not walk away from a system after one or a couple of months ,but the fact that he did not reply to a message of me

enigma24 Futures

One of the best systems I've subscribed. I like very much the well working dynamic stops and the fact that developer does not add more contracts to positions. The system is perfect for unexperienced investors as well as the another system in portfolio for professionals. Average time for a position is just few hours and the position is always closed before the end of the session. Big plus for the system's backtests available on their website. Great profit to drawdown ratio. Good job so far, thanks.

Compounding Income Stream

System is good. Unfortunately, this system requires an account that is much larger than the system's current equity. This is because the US auto-trading brokers (MB Trading, TradeMonster) are setting extremely high margin requirements on short selling options, which this system is based upon. I was surprised, because i funded my account with the same equity as the system's, but was only able to enter a portion of the trades, due to the issue described above. If this is the case, then there is no point for me to continue unless I have an extremely large account (maybe $100K), which I do not have unfortunately.